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I Don't Need God

Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:28 PM EST
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By Live and let live please
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I haven't written an article in a long time, but I had an experience on Newsvine today that I think deserves to be shared and discussed. I was having a discussion on another religious article, when I got into a debate with another Newsvine user. He was rather polite, though his message was far more insulting than his tone. Upon learning that I was an atheist, he implied that I had some emptiness in my heart, that there was something missing in my way of life and indeed in me, using only the knowledge that I was an atheist as evidence for this fact. I have encountered general prejudice both and from towards atheists on the Vine before, an usually I just write it off as being nothing but bigotry and intolerance. But this really bothered me, because it was not hatred, it was pity.

At first I was all set to go into a rage, that someone would have the gall to claim that there was something missing from my life, with nothing more to go on than the fact that I was an atheist. How dare he make such assumptions? How dare he claim that being an atheist left me unfulfilled? But when I thought about it from his perspective, I realized I couldn't be angry at him. After all, from his point of view, he probably took great joy and comfort from his faith, and it likely greatly enriched his life. How could I be angry at him when all he wanted was the same joy and comfort for me? And so I could not feel angry, all I could feel was frustrated. I was frustrated by how blind he was. He was unable to do what I just did, to put himself in my place and examine things from my perspective. He could not see beyond his own point of view, and realize that not everyone needs any form of spirituality in order to have a rich, fulfilled life. He could not appreciate how I could enjoy my life without any interaction with god or Jesus.

I guess in the end, this isn't about religion. Not really. This is about basic human empathy, the ability to see things from the perspective of someone else. An it saddened me to see this, this great disconnect between him and me. I do not need a deity to have a fulfilled life, to find comfort and joy in this world, but I can respect anyone who does. I just wish more people would extend me the same courtesy.

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CoH is in effect, let's try to keep this civil. But I am eager to hear what people think of this.

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST
kaviaq

Well, it is purely anecdotal, but the atheists I know are far happier than the religious people I know. Not sure why they aren't getting more comfort out of their beliefs. My father is the most religious and most miserable person I know. It drives him NUTS that I'm so happy!

  • 16 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:33 PM EST
Live and let live please

You know, I have heard that as a whole, religious people tend to be happier, but that is more a symptom of something else. In reality, it is people who are involved in something bigger than themselves who are happier, be that religion or something else. People who volunteer at homeless shelters experience the same effect.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM EST
American Spirit

A key difference in you two is effect. The people who are involved in religion are helping religion. The people who volunteer at homeless shelters are helping other humans.

Though the effect as to how it affects their happiness is identical inside, one makes a positive difference in the overall world. One does not.

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST
Live and let live please

Though the effect as to how it affects their happiness is identical inside, one makes a positive difference in the overall world. One does not.

Well, I would point out that many Christian organizations actually do try to do similar things, such as the Christian volunteers who were involved in disaster relief in Haiti. I wonder if they are even happier, since they are involved in something bigger than themselves and are helping people.

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#1.4 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

Nice article! I know exactly how you feel, Live and let live please.

Sometimes, I find it difficult to keep a civil tongue when I'm being "judged" by intolerant people of religion, just because I do not believe in what they do.

Not all religious people are intolerant and small minded, but there are far too many out there that are so blinded by their own beliefs, that any other point of view is heresy to them.

They do not understand the concept of religious freedom, or free will, and they treat everyone outside their limited view of the world with hatred or contempt. They are bitter people and should be pitied.

There is so much more to life than hiding behind the pages of an old book.

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:33 PM EST
Live and let live please

They do not understand the concept of religious freedom, or free will, and they treat everyone outside their limited view of the world with hatred or contempt. They are bitter people and should be pitied.

Thankfully, most of the very religious people who I have dealt with don't view those of differing beliefs with hatred, they just view them as misguided or pitiable, which in all honesty is not much better, and in many cases is far more insulting. Thanks for your input Kyle!

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM EST
Rainbow Warrior

Isn't ironic that many Christian leaders and thus their followers have become sociopathic?

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:20 AM EST
Artie-3438207

Rainbow Warrior-Maybe this is where they want to take us.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:49 AM EST
Debora-389330

Live and let live, as a Born again Christian I understand what the other viner was trying to say to you. We only want to share the joy we experience every day.

Have a good life.

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#1.9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:47 AM EST
Live and let live please

Live and let live, as a Born again Christian I understand what the other viner was trying to say to you. We only want to share the joy we experience every day.

Indeed, as I wrote, I too understand what he was trying to accomplish, and I actually appreciate the sentiment. He wanted me to be happy, how can I fault him for that? What I fault him for is not his intentions, it was his inability to accept or believe that I am already happy, his assumption that he was somehow happier than me, despite knowing nothing about me. It was frustrating, and rather insulting that he could come to such a conclusion while knowing so little about me.

Have a good life.

You as well Debora! And I hope you start it off with a good day! ^_^

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM EST
MadaTx

I always remind fellow atheists. While atheism is just a personal belief, when one actively organizes and forces others to believe what he personally believes, atheism is just another religion.

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#1.11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM EST
Debora-389330

Thank you, I am stationed in Germany so my day is coming to a close.

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#1.12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST
fernando-2143457

Deborah- Thank you for your service.

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#1.13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM EST
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Artie-3438207

I think it takes a lot of personal strength and confidence to be atheist, not that I have a choice! I guess it's difficult for believers to understand what makes us tick, and it apparently disturbs them in large part; rational discussion of it is usually impossible.

Understanding is also difficult when the theists are on their mission to save everyone, as if we all suffer from some kind of illness that must be treated by them before others, like our kids, become infected.

It's what gives meaning to their lives, but the more aggressive they become in forcing their beliefs, the greater the pushback from me. I wish they would just keep it to themselves; then we would all get along just fine.

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Reply#2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:17 PM EST
Live and let live please

Yeah, from their perspective they see it as trying to save us from burning in hell, which is one of the reasons I try to be patient with them when they do, because I know that as annoying as it can get, they do have good intentions. But I admit, being patient can be pretty hard at times...

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#2.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:29 PM EST
Artie-3438207

Unfortunately, religion is also about power, in addition to saving souls, if history is any indication, so my patience ends when the good intentions move beyond the Church pews, and into the State House.

Good Article.

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#2.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:40 PM EST
Live and let live please

Unfortunately, religion is also about power, in addition to saving souls, if history is any indication, so my patience ends when the good intentions move beyond the Church pews, and into the State House.

Indeed. I am much more patient with with individual religious people trying to "save" me. When people start trying to legally force their religion on me, you will find my patience almost non-existant.

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#2.3 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:43 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

rational discussion of it is usually impossible.

Indeed.

It is usually impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who will only quote "scripture" as their argument, or continuously say that you are going to burn in hell for not believing.

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#2.4 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:45 PM EST
NotKidding

It's true that there is a lot of underlying bigotry against atheists...some of it a hold-over from less enlightened times, and some a screwy backlash against the backlash against the special entitlements religion has historically enjoyed...but all of it damaging to atheists.

There are still laws on the books in several states that don't allow atheists to hold public office or even testify in court (because we are liars, after all). Studies show that atheists aren't trusted, are considered immoral, are the least likely group to be elected president, and the prejudice is so pervasive that in studies where everything else is equal...the atheist is even less likely to get a needed kidney.

It all stems from ignorance of course, all bigotry does. Theists long ago invented the lie that non-theists were immoral...part of scaring everyone into joining the church...non-joiners were going to burn. Now they believe their own lies, they don't understand atheists, and (as in your experience) don't seem willing or capable of expanding their understanding enough to overcome their own false propaganda.

I think it's important that atheists speak out against the bigotry when we encounter it, if we are ever going to change the story. Atheists need to come out the closet and make themselves known as every bit as moral and decent, and as fulfilled and happy as theists.

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#2.5 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:21 PM EST
Live and let live please

Atheists need to come out the closet and make themselves known as every bit as moral and decent, and as fulfilled and happy as theists.

I'd say "Amen", but that would be ironic. XD Yes, atheists do face a great deal of backlash from certain groups of theists, though not all. I know several Christians who are perfectly accepting of my atheism, though that might partially be because we almost never talk about religion.

I remember one person who was Christian who I was talking to IRL. He was not quite as accepting of my atheism, and made the comment that he was "statistically more likely to get into heaven than me". I thought about that comment for a moment before replying "Given the number of religions that state that only believers go to heaven, you are more likely to get into heaven than me the same way that someone who buys a single ticket is more likely to win the lottery than me. Technically infinitely more likely, since I didn't even buy a ticket, but your chances aren't much better." Though in all honesty, I was mostly objecting to the fact that he said "statistically" as if this was something you could measure. XD Still, makes for a fun story.

  • 4 votes
#2.6 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:29 PM EST
NotKidding

When the entire premise of religion is to worship a god in order to be saved from what that same god will do to you if you don't....it's pretty hard to tell it apart from the "protection" the mob used to sell.

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#2.7 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 PM EST
John-755418

Yeah, from their perspective they see it as trying to save us from burning in hell, which is one of the reasons I try to be patient with them when they do, because I know that as annoying as it can get, they do have good intentions. But I admit, being patient can be pretty hard at times...

My issue with this is that they are quick to point out the consequence that you will go to hell if you don't "surrender to Jesus". When I ask Christians why I should become christian, this is usually the first reason they give for doing so. Based on this response, I then conclude that Christianity is a fear-driven religion which, of course, they deny.

I am told that I must love God with my whole heart, mind and soul. How can a person love something and fear it at the same time? I love my parents yet I do not fear them. Regardless of how badly I misbehave, they would not send me to an eternal place of torture. Does that make them better than God?

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#2.8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST
Kyle-2710718

Excellent post John!

    #2.9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM EST
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    RACHEL1-933952

    Live and let live please- I saw this exchange and I have to give you kudos for your responses and react to the other Viner.

    I didn't see their response as much one of pity, but, rather of condescension. Perhaps, I'm not as just as you...perhaps I have read other comments on other articles by that person and saw the same there.

    I'm not so much an atheist as I am an agnostic, I really don't believe in god, however, I do have belief in the spiritual aspect of nature and all it's glory....and, I do not have an emptiness in my heart, either!

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    Reply#3 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:45 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    Thanks Rachel, and I'm not surprised that you have no emptiness in your heart. :-)
    I admit, I found his comments a bit condescending myself, but I try to give people the benefit of the doubt an assume his intentions were good. While preachy, he certainly did not seem to me to be a bad person.

    I really don't believe in god, however, I do have belief in the spiritual aspect of nature and all it's glory

    I think my mother has a very similar belief system to you. She doesn't believe in god, but she does believe in spirituality. Thanks for your comment! ^_^

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    #3.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:50 PM EST
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    JmetheSad

    all I could feel was frustrated. I was frustrated by how blind he was. He was unable to do what I just did, to put himself in my place and examine things from my perspective. He could not see beyond his own point of view

    This is exactly the frustration I feel while reading comments on articles EVERYDAY on NV. These heated irrational arguments, not even debates, going back and forth with each person arguing 2 completely different or tangential points that is purely fueled by both parties inability to, for a second, stop and try to understand something they do not think/believe. This lack of ability by a good portion of the community makes it very difficult to want to join conversations these days (along with mild fear of being that person knowing I am susceptible to tunnel vision on occasion as well) .

    It's a little comforting to know (well, ok I knew already) there are still others here that are capable of seeing this and react in a manner to foster good debate.

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    Reply#4 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:45 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    These heated irrational arguments, not even debates, going back and forth with each person arguing 2 completely different or tangential points that is purely fueled by both parties inability to, for a second, stop and try to understand something they do not think/believe.

    I know how you feel. I especially see this sort of thing with heated issues like abortion. Both sides are completely convinced that the other side is pure evil, that they feel the way they do out of sheer malevolence. I sometimes feel like I'm one of the only people I know who thinks that people on both sides of the abortion debate are good people trying to stand up for what they think is right.

    Keep trying JmetheSad! Goo discussions can only happen when people try to be civil even in the face of those who refuse to do the same. Fight the good fight! ^_^

    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    I know how you feel. I especially see this sort of thing with heated issues like abortion. Both sides are completely convinced that the other side is pure evil, that they feel the way they do out of sheer malevolence.

    As an atheist, I believe that each of us are only given one chance at life, and life is a precious commodity. When we die, we are gone forever.

    It saddens me that people are killing unborn children and denying them the chance to experience life, especially when there are a lot of good families out there who can't have children, and are seeking to adopt.

    But, I also believe that I do not have the right to tell any woman that they can't have an abortion. My rights end where yours begin.

    I was adopted at birth. I was given the chance to live.

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    #4.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:44 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    Wow Kyle, you and I have almost identical stances on abortion, which is not something that happens to me as often as you might think. My view on abortion is that I don't like it, since I view it as a waste of human potential, but I think it is none of my business what any woman does with her body. I'm male, so abortion isn't even something that I should have a say in. It's not my choice.

    • 4 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    FR accepted Live and let live please, which is a milestone. 100 on the list as of now. :-)

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    #4.4 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    FR accepted Live and let live please, which is a milestone. 100 on the list as of now. :-)

    Woo! I'm number 100! ^_^

    • 3 votes
    #4.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:48 AM EST
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    Sparrow-2863685

    Wow, excellent article and excellent responses! And ironically, this is the most peaceful thread I've seen on the Vine :) Glad to be in such good company!

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    Reply#5 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:00 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    I've only written half a dozen articles or so on Newsvine, but they are usually very therapeutic for me, because for some reason none of the hate and intolerance I usually see on Newvine seems to show up here. Not sure why, maybe I'm jinxing myself in saying this. Thanks for your comments!

    Glad to be in such good company!

    And we are glad to have you! ^_^

    • 4 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:06 PM EST
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    arkpdx

    Live and let live please

    I to have a live and let live policy. I just come from a different perspective than you. I won't try to convert you nor will I condemn you. I will say that frankly I don't understand you mostly because i see the evidence of a highe power than myself everyday everywhere I go. I find it hard to think that that is not evident to everyone.

    I have no issue with you. I could even get to be friends with you more so than some extremely religious people I have known. I do, however have a problem with the semingly intolerant attitude of many zviners that share your views. You know the ones I mean. They continually try to say that theyare more intelligent than me or that I am just plain ignorant. That I believe in fantasies amd fairie tales. Those kinds of attitudes does not foster understanding. It creates more hostility. While the religious person does it because they feel the need to lift you up (in their view) to a high purpose and being and generally just want you to share in the joy and happiness he has found. Those that ridicule the religious do it out of pure meanness and spite.

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    Reply#6 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:39 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    I have no issue with you. I could even get to be friends with you more so than some extremely religious people I have known. I do, however have a problem with the semingly intolerant attitude of many zviners that share your views. You know the ones I mean.

    Sadly, I do indeed. So many militant atheists will tell you with a straight face that all religious people are delusional, showing saddening religious intolerance... what makes me really sad is that I know a lot of those atheists probably developed such hatred towards religion as a result of intolerance by religious people, and now they are blithely spreading intolerance themselves. The fact of the matter is, a person's beliefs are their own business, and if they find happiness and fulfillment in their beliefs, then more power to them.

    Those that ridicule the religious do it out of pure meanness and spite.

    Have to sort of disagree with you here. Those atheists that ridicule religion, while certainly not correct in my opinion, are not mean or evil. They are reactionary. They are reacting to what they see, they are reacting to ultra-conservatives trying to force their religious beliefs upon them. They are reacting to religious zealots telling them that they are going to hell simply for not believing. It is really saddening to see people spreading hate like this, but as the saying goes, "hurt people hurt people." It becomes a vicious cycle. It can only end if one side really takes a stand and vows to respect the beliefs of the other, and hopefully encourages the other side to do the same.

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    #6.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:47 PM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    The fact of the matter is, a person's beliefs are their own business, and if they find happiness and fulfillment in their beliefs, then more power to them.

    That is it in a nutshell.

    Unfortunately, too many people try to make other people's beliefs, their business.

    Therein lies the problem.

    Why can't we just accept each other for who we are, and move on?

    Those atheists that ridicule religion, while certainly not correct in my opinion, are not mean or evil. They are reactionary. They are reacting to what they see, they are reacting to ultra-conservatives trying to force their religious beliefs upon them. They are reacting to religious zealots telling them that they are going to hell simply for not believing.

    I must admit, that I am guilty of lashing out at those who treat me as if I were an evil and repugnant thing, just because I do not believe.

    So, I will say again.

    Why can't we just accept each other for who we are, and move on?

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    #6.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:50 PM EST
    NotKidding

    I find that a lot of the hostility directed at relgion is a direct result of issues like abortion, "personhood", access to birth control, gay marriage rights, comprehensive sex education, creationism masquerading as science, Planned Parenthood, legalized religious discrimination, stem cell research and leadership who wants to hasten armageddon.

    It has very little to do with the beliefs themselves...live and let live. But when theists use those beliefs as justification for laws or practices that harm others...then theists put the beliefs themselves up for scrutiny.

    You can't have it both ways. If you want to use religious beliefs to justify inequality and oppression, then you have to be prepared to show that they are based on reality. You can't use them to oppress others and then cry victim if they get shot down.

    As an aside...I don't feel any compulsion to "respect" beliefs that arbitrarily paint me as immoral or evil.

    • 7 votes
    #6.3 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    But when theists use those beliefs as justification for laws or practices that harm others...then theists put the beliefs themselves up for scrutiny.

    This has always been my feeling. I will respect any system of belief, as long as they respect mine. And when certain religious groups try to use the legislature to force their beliefs on me, then that is not respecting my beliefs, and I have precious little patience for it. That said, I think many religions are still a good thing, and provide happiness and comfort for those who believe them.

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    #6.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:58 AM EST
    NotKidding

    That said, I think many religions are still a good thing, and provide happiness and comfort for those who believe them.

    I have two neighbors who, for me, sum up the whole religion question nicely. One is a couple who couldn't be nicer people. They are always friendly and willing to help out. I can trust them with anything, they wouldn't even think of ever doing anything dishonest. They are also christian, although they rarely mention it and have never (in ten years of friendship) tried to convert me. The other is a single mother whom we have helped out many times. She used to try and convince me to convert...but she's stopped now. She still believes that we aren't quite as "good" as christians. She runs scams on ebay for extra cash, is first in line whenever there's a freebie and would steal you blind if you are foolish enough to give her the opportunity. She honestly believes she is a good person, even a better person than I am...because she has religion.

    In both cases, religion provides comfort and happiness....it's just not always a good thing when some discomfort and honest self-appraisal might be more beneficial.

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    #6.5 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:25 PM EST
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    Sparrow-2863685

    Those that ridicule the religious do it out of pure meanness and spite.

    Actually, Atheists are met with exactly the type of thing this article is about. We have read the Bible, we don't find it credible or logical. That doesn't mean we're bad people, we have life in front of us and it's very important to us, because we are busy trying to live it. This is the only chance that we're sure of and we'd like it to be as pleasant as possible. The division and hatred we see when all we want is our freedom can be distressing at times. We're not "in your face" trying to un-convert anybody, but we'd like the freedom of our minds. Religion is in OUR faces practically every minute of every day, in one form or anther. For the most part, that's okay, until we're told we're evil or we're doomed or we're not worthy of even being called American. Can you imagine how that feels? Could you imagine if there were signs everywhere saying how evil your beliefs were? Could you imagine being forced to earn money that goes against your principles? How would you feel if the money said "There is NO God"? Would that rub you the wrong way? Would you speak up?

    All we ask is that we are entitled to our own thoughts, our own minds, our own morals. We're not asking you to not believe, we just want to be included as part of the human race, without being ridiculed or disrespected. We have voices, we have feelings, we have families and we're not that different. We just happen to believe in one less god than most.

    Live and let live... Peace!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:26 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    Well said Sparrow! Makes me wish I could press the checkmark box a dozen times...

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    #7.1 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:42 PM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    Yes, well said Sparrow!

    We have read the Bible, we don't find it credible or logical. That doesn't mean we're bad people.

    Like many atheists, I used to be a religious person.

    At one point in my life, I was a priest in an internationally recognized church. That was a long time ago.

    The more I studied 'scripture', the more questions I had.

    The more biblical inconsistencies I noticed, the more questions I had.

    The answers that I needed were not forthcoming, and "The lord works in mysterious ways" is a pathetic answer at best.

    One day I was told to shut up, stop asking so many questions, and accept the 'scripture' as fact. You should have seen the look on the bishop's face when I told him exactly where he could stick his bible, and his church.

    I then went on with my life, no longer feeling like a hypocrite. (Preaching to others about a great and wonderful 'god' while I was having doubts myself.)

    So, yes. I do tend to get irritated when people only quote scripture as their source of 'divine inspiration', and call it "proof' of 'god'. It is merely a book that is loosely based on some historical events. It is a collection of highly embellished stories, passed down from one illiterate generation of peasants to the next illiterate generation of peasants, until some folks that knew how to write, put those stories to paper. It proves absolutely nothing.

    I am not trying to be hateful, or spiteful in any way. I am not trying to attack anyone's religion in any way. If you believe in a higher power, that is your right to do so, and I respect that. All I ask is that you give the same respect to those of us who do not believe, and understand why we (or, at least I) believe this way.

    Live and let live please!

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    #7.2 - Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:55 PM EST
    Live and let live please

    If you believe in a higher power, that is your right to do so, and I respect that. All I ask is that you give the same respect to those of us who do not believe, and understand why we (or, at least I) believe this way.

    I think this says it all. Bravo Kyle, well said!

    • 4 votes
    #7.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:00 AM EST
    arkpdx

    We have read the Bible, we don't find it credible or logical.

    There is the rub. It is also where you and the extremely religious join forces in a way but for different reasons. Both the extremists and "yourself"(editorial) seem to have taken the words in Scripture much to literally. The Bible, at least to me, is not a history book even though it has historical figures in it. It is more in the lines of a guide book for life. It is in someways a way of explaining the world and the whys and wherefores of why things are and why we do the in a simpler story format. I think that trying to say that the Bible is an exact history of the world is like saying Gone With the Wind is an accurate history of the Civil War.

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    #7.4 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM EST
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    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Live and Let Please: I did not read the article in question, so I cannot comment on it.

    Let me observe that we all need to find that path which that is best for us on our life's journey.

    I wish you every good thing life has to offer on the path you selected.

    Peace and Fulfillment. Enoch.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:12 AM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    Peace, friendship, and much respect to you and yours, Enoch.

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    #8.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:50 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    Peace and Fulfillment. Enoch.

    And same to you, my friend. I hope your path gives you great joy, whatever it may be. ^_^

    • 5 votes
    #8.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:52 AM EST
    Enoch-2699399

    Dear Friends Kyle and Live and Let Live: Many thanks for your kind words and wishes.

    Please know they are happily reciprocated. Enoch.

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    #8.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM EST
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    Al-316

    Live and Let Live Please, I admire and respect your reaction to someone who views things in a different way.

    If more people would humble themselves, we would all probably get along better.

    I am humbly forwarding a FR.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#9 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:59 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    If more people would humble themselves, we would all probably get along better.

    Very true, many arguments start due to everyone in a discussion being so adamantly sure that they are right and everyone else is wrong...

    I am humbly forwarding a FR.

    And I graciously accept! ^_^

    • 4 votes
    #9.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:54 AM EST
    Reply
    Vlad's dog

    I really liked what you had to say here.

    It is funny that some folks feel spreading the joy of their faith involves belittling others who don't share those beliefs.

    I just wonder how these folks feel being negative and offering a negative will gain a positive outcome.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:24 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    Well, to be fair, the person about whom I am writing this article was not really being negative, and I think he actually did have good intentions. I think he genuinely did not realize how insulting he was being. I think he was actually trying to help me, to share the feelings he got from his faith with me, and I can't dislike him for wanting me to be happy. It was the way he went about it that irritated me, and his inability or refusal to see things from my perspective, even after I had tried to extend that courtesy to him. But I admit, there are those who are more like the people you speak of, who have no interest in converting others or helping them, only in condemning and judging. And those kind of people make me sad, regardless of their faith or lack thereof.

    • 5 votes
    #10.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:30 AM EST
    Vlad's dog

    I do understand that words, meaning and interpertations can cause problems between two people writing to each other in this type of forum.

    I also understand the good intentions of some folks to show caring for a stranger and they feel that is the messsage they are sending.

    As a teacher I have spent a lot of time working out how to communicate without creating misconceptions. I still make mistakes. LOL

    The problem I feel is that folks do not spend time learning good forms of presentation when communicating.

    They may have good intentions in their hearts but they have not learned how to create a good way to communicate that message or intention.

    I really liked that after you felt anger you spent time working it out in his shoes to come up with a positive outcome in your mind. I feel that is a lesson we all need to learn over and over again, "put ourselves in the other guys shoes".

    I hope you find time to write more.

    • 4 votes
    #10.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:46 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    Thanks Vlad's dog, I appreciate the support. And I agree, it is very hard to discuss this sort of thing without being misunderstood. Had I not thought things through carefully, I probably would have lashed out at my fellow viner for what I perceived as arrogance and condescension. I think everyone could stand to learn that when someone says something that angers you, you should try to think of why they said it. It is obviously important to them, otherwise they would not have mentioned it.

    • 5 votes
    #10.3 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:05 AM EST
    Reply
    JAXX43

    I am so with you on this!! I have been in several "conversations" about this with different folks on the NV. I am an atheist. I am a very happy, fulfilled and spiritual person who happens to find her "church" in nature. Who happens to live a good, honest and kind life towards others. Isn't that all that matters in the scheme of things no matter what you believe? I have a Live and Let Live attitude. I wish more "Christians" would follow that credo. I have had a few "Christians" on the Vine tell me I am going straight to hell, that I have no soul, you name it, I have been called it. And it always makes me laugh that these people assume that anyone, doesnt' matter how good of a person you are, anyone who does not believe in God will suffer some eternal fire and damnation in the pits of hell. It's like saying all gays are going to hell. Even those who are good people, that give back in their communities and are really compassionate and good people. That just doesn't make any sense to me, that just because of who an individual chooses to love, or just because a person finds their God in the trees, animals, nature, that they are damned to hell. Leaves me shaking my head every time. Anyhoo...so yeah...there will always be folks who judge. I guess it's up to us to click that good ole "ignore" button when someone rubs us the wrong way or insults us. Just keep on keepin on....keep being the good person you are. And hope that someday that person who you had this encounter with will "get it" someday.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#11 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    When someone condemns you for what you believe, be they atheist or theist, it is important to be the bigger person, to realize that their opinion can not shape your life. You believe what you want to believe, and respect there beliefs as much as anyone else's. The hatred cycle can be broken easier than people realize. All it takes is someone to stop hating, and those they used to hate may stop as well, since they no longer have to retaliate. Thanks for the support Jaxx!

    • 5 votes
    #11.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM EST
    JAXX43

    Well said!!!! Nice article btw :-)

    • 1 vote
    #11.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST
    Reply
    Neetu M.

    Very good article. I was considering writing something similar myself one of these days. You have stated well how you moved from the initial reaction or feelings of anger to one of introspection and analysis of this other viner's likely reason for giving his point of view. I would have felt the same way. Trying to understand another's perspective leads to tolerance of beliefs which may be different from ours. Anger is not productive of anything except building walls and barriers between people, which is why we have so much bitterness and venom in our world, one pitted against another, on the matter of religion, which ironically, is meant to enlighten the spirit and create peace and love and all that is positive.

    I do not need faith in a religion or a God to live my life with purpose and morals. But, it is not for me to tell others that they must do the same. Each one has their own relationship with their inner selves, and if they need religion, worship, ritual, then it is their business, not mine.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#12 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM EST
    Live and let live please

    Anger is not productive of anything except building walls and barriers between people, which is why we have so much bitterness and venom in our world, one pitted against another, on the matter of religion, which ironically, is meant to enlighten the spirit and create peace and love and all that is positive.

    Truer words have never been spoken.

    I do not need faith in a religion or a God to live my life with purpose and morals. But, it is not for me to tell others that they must do the same. Each one has their own relationship with their inner selves, and if they need religion, worship, ritual, then it is their business, not mine.

    Okay, now they have. ^_^ Very well said Neetu. Meeting intolerance with anger and resentment just encourages it, and will never help reduce the level of hatred in the world. Thank you for your wonderful post, expect a friend request soon.

    • 4 votes
    #12.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM EST
    Neetu M.

    Thanks, liveandletlive, I look forward to the FR!

    • 4 votes
    #12.2 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST
    Reply
    RACHEL1-933952

    "In sharing, in loving all and everything, one people naturally found a due portion of the thing they sought, while in fearing, the other found need of conquest." -- Chief Luther Standing Bear, SIOUX"

    • 4 votes
    Reply#13 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:17 AM EST
    Artie-3438207

    An excellent analysis and commentary by Standing Bear, in the exercise of achieving a quiet heart, and the consequences of not having one. I can see why he was their Chief.

    His morality was derived directly from his experience-the art of a "primative" people's survival in nature. Quite a remarkable insight, really. Couldn't pass it up:)

    • 3 votes
    #13.1 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:40 PM EST
    Reply
    Jackie-2759125

    I guess in the end, this isn't about religion. Not really. This is about basic human empathy, the ability to see things from the perspective of someone else. An it saddened me to see this, this great disconnect between him and me. I do not need a deity to have a fulfilled life, to find comfort and joy in this world, but I can respect anyone who does. I just wish more people would extend me the same courtesy.

    I enjoyed reading your article and understand exactly what you had happen to you. My husband and I are pagans (backgrounds in Catholicism and various other Christian denominations) and run into the same thing quite often. I guess as a frequently "persecuited or misunderstood" group, we seem to have a better grasp on empathy and trying to be open and understanding to other perspectives when it comes to matters of spirituality/morales/values etc. When it comes down to "right and wrong" and "my way or the highway" my panties get in a bunch....I can get hostile and resentful towards the prostelyte (spelling?). There have been many heated discussions at my front door with people, with good intentions, wanting to "save" us.

    Anyhew - kudos on this timely article.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#14 - Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:32 AM EST
    Neetu M.

    I have a story, a true one. My daughter was 8 and traveled on the school bus daily with another girl who always, for whatever reason, wanted to sit by her. This girl would talk Jesus every day to her during the 20 minute bus ride. She would ask my child whether she believed in Him, and my daughter would truthfully reply that ours was not a Christian, or for that matter, a religious family. The girl would then tell her that she and we would go to hell and burn in its fires because her father had told her that there was only one way to heaven, and that was through Jesus. My daughter would listen patiently, ignoring most of the lecture, but the girl wouldn't give up. She asked that my daughter visit her family and meet with her father one day, to which my daughter absolutely did not agree, and the girl got incensed. She painted a graphic picture of hell for my child. At Christmas that year, she gave my girl a present - a wrapped video tape (10 or 11 years ago) of the movie, "Jesus" and told her to watch it and make us watch it and then get back to her.

    Of course, no one watched it. I was tempted to discard it, however, I didn't. It sits in a box somewhere in the basement, still sealed with the kiss of that young missionary. The attempt to convert my daughter had failed, and you know, it made me proud. My daughter could stand up for herself. We moved, and a different bus route was assigned, ending that chapter. End of story.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#15 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 6:35 PM EST
    NotKidding

    I can remember being furious at a group of adults who stood outside my son's middle school (just off the property, but right where every child had to walk past to leave) handing out mini-bibles in an atempt to do an end run around parents and teachers and push their beliefs onto impressionable children when they were on their own. My son came home with one and I immediately headed out to tell them off, but they were gone...didn't stick around for any backlash...cowardly weasels that they were.

    I don't go standing outside churches trying to convert theist children to my beliefs...what on earth gives them the right to try and foist their beliefs onto my children?

    The ironic thing is that all my kids have read the bible, several copies were always available in our home along with every other belief system imaginable...but reading it only deepened their atheism.

    • 6 votes
    #15.1 - Wed Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM EST
    Neetu M.

    Knowledge is power, and it leads to the true enlightenment, as your story shows, Notkidding. My same daughter is now a college student with friends from all faiths across the world, accepting of all but not aligning herself with any, and has the best look at religion - from the outside in, not from inside out.

    • 6 votes
    #15.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:31 AM EST
    NotKidding

    I agree completely Neetu...and so do most theists which is why they try to keep their kids from learning anything aside from their theist beliefs.

    There used to be JW's who came to to the door to talk to my daughter, when she was about 8 or 9. She was interested in what they had to say, so I didn't interfere and they came several times a week for a few weeks and stood at the door trying to talk her into their beliefs while she asked questions. I was fine with it until they asked her to come to one of their houses to "learn more". If they had to get her away from her parents in order to win her over...even though we never interfered in their discussions in any way...then there was something seriously wrong with what they were doing. Not to mention the colossal stupidity thinking we would be foolish enough to allow our child to go unsupervised into a stranger's home.

    A couple of my kids attended sunday school for awhile...we took them if they wanted to go and they enjoyed the social aspects and the crafts. We never told them one thing was true and everything else wasn't, we told them that we don't have proof of anything so no one can honestly say they know what's true....only what they believe.

    They weren't raised to disrespect any beliefs....but they all became young adults during the last decade and have seen the blurring of religion and politics, and the attempts to force theist beliefs on others through laws, and the bigotry their friends experience because of religious teachings...and they have grown far more dismissive of theist beliefs in general. The harder theists fight to push their beliefs on others...the more they lose the tolerance and respect of others...they are killing off their own religion....and blaming it on everyone else.

    • 1 vote
    #15.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:58 PM EST
    Reply
    Kyle-2710718

    There have been so many! Practically a 'god' for every occasion. Take your pick!

    (source: http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/names/gods.htm )

    Personally, I don't need any of them.

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    A small list of names

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    The Japanese section of a comprehensive chart of Asian deities and their portfolios.

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    Shinto (the Way of the Gods) was the original religion in Japan and had no written literature before the arrival of the Buddhists. All true Japanese mythology comes from this religion.

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    A small list of names

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    Only a few

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    A few good ones

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    A wonderful list!

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    EGYPTIAN PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    A small list of names

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    A small list of names

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    A huge list of names of Gods from every tribe

    NATIVE AMERICAN PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
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    HEATHENRY ARCHANGEL GODS AND GODDESSES
    A list of detailed names

    GODS OF THE MIERCINGA RÍCE
    Detailed information on the Gods of the pantheons of the Jutes, Saxons, and Angles is forever lost.

    GODS AND GODDESSES OF VIRTUES AND PERSONIFICATIONS
    Seems they had a God for everything. Only a few here

    GODS AND GODDESSES OF CHILDREN AND CHILDBIRTH
    More Roman God names

    NAMES OF THE MOON GODDESSES
    Powerful names to ponder on

    MOON GODS AND MOON GODDESSES
    The names of a dozen moon goddesses from around the world

    SUN GODS
    Thirteen sun gods from world mythology.

    GODS AND GODDESSES OF FERTILITY
    Even though certain deities were given the honor of protecting fertility and reproduction, many had other duties as well.

    GODS AND GODDESSES OF AGRICULTURE
    Wonderful Roman names!

    NAMES OF GODS AND SPIRITS OF THE SEA
    Names of the Theoi & Daimones Einalioi, the Dominion of Lord Poseidon

    GODDESSES OF THE ISLANDS & OCEANS
    List of old Pagan Goddess names with descriptions

    SUN GODDESSES
    As a means to reclaim the power of the Sun, let us honor Goddesses who come to us as the Sun

    NAMES OF GODS & SPIRITS OF COUNTRYSIDE AND WILDERNESS
    The Theoi & Daimones Nomioi were the gods and spirits of the Countryside and Wilderness (the joint Dominion of Lord Hermes, Lord Dionysos and the Lady Artemis)

    NAMES OF DEMIGODS
    A demigod, a "half-god," is a person whose one parent was a god and whose other parent was a human. The heroes of Greek mythology were often demigods

    ONE HUNDRED BEAUTIFUL NAMES OF GOD
    With English Translations

    SUMERIAN GODS & GODDESSES
    In giving their gods human characteristics, the Sumerians projected onto their gods the conflicts they found among themselves

    LUSITANI (ANCIENT PORTUGUESE) GODS
    The Lusitani people adopted the Celt and Roman cults and influenced them with theirs. Many Lusitani gods were adopted by the Romans.

    GODDESSES OF BABYLON
    Great list of names with full descriptions & meanings!

    BABYLONIAN DEITIES
    The minor and young Gods and their powers and purposes

    FINNISH GODS
    Some Gods have several names. List of Gods and Goddesses from Finland

    FINNISH GODS
    A list of Finnish gods, deities, & spirits

    FINNISH RELIGION
    List of names of Gods, Deities & Spirits

    NAMES OF SCANDINAVIAN GODDESSES
    Six names, with descriptions

    NAMES OF GODS OF KRYNN
    The gods who created and watch over the world

    BASQUE GODS
    Only a few here

    GODS OF HAPPINESS
    Who are the happy gods?

    THE NAMES OF THE GODS
    The Nibiruan Council Of Twelve & their names translated into 12 language groups

    NAMES OF APOTHEOTHENAI (Deified Mortals)
    The Theoi & Daimones Apotheothenai were those mortal men and women who were granted immortality by the gods

    NAMES OF NORSE/TEUTONIC GODDESSES
    Good list, includes full descriptions

    GODDESSES OF LATVIA
    List of names with full descriptions & meanings!

    NAMES OF PREHISTORIC GODDESSES
    A long list with descriptions

    NAMES OF GODDESSES OF ANCIENT CRETE
    Includes full descriptions

    NAMES OF THE GODDESSES
    Long list, includes full descriptions

    JUDEO-CHRISTIAN-ISLAMIC LEGENDS
    The names listed here occur in various Judeo - Christian - Islamic legends that are preserved outside of the Bible.

    AKKADIAN GODDESSES
    Unusual names with full descriptions & meanings

    GODDESSES OF FIRST NATIONS
    Large list of native goddesses names with full descriptions & meanings!

    NAMES FROM NORTH AMERICAN INDIAN MYTHOLOGY
    List of names of Gods with detailed descriptions

    NATIVE AMERICAN GODS & GODDESSES
    A wonderful list of names!

    NATIVE AMERICAN PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    A small list of names

    NATIVE NORTH AMERICAN GODS
    Lists of Gods from Algonquin, Cherokee, Iroquois, Navajo & Pawnee tribes

    CENTRAL AMERICAN GODS
    List of Aztec, Mayan & Inca Gods

    NATIVE NORTH AMERICAN GODS
    Lists of Gods of Inca and Maya

    CENTRAL & STH AMER PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    A small list of names

    SOUTH AMERICAN GODDESSES
    List of names of the Goddesses with descriptions

    INCA GODS
    List of South American Gods & their associates

    THE GODS OF INCAN MYTHOLOGY
    Once a mighty empire stretched over the central highlands of the Andes, way down South past Mexico. 53 Incan deities currently in database

    AZTEC GODS
    The Aztecs were not simple village people, but occupied a large City-State much like Greece and Rome. Extensive list of names here!.

    AZTEC MYTHOLOGY
    List of Gods of the Aztecs

    AZTEC PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    A small list of names

    AZTEC GODS AND GODDESSES
    While some deities were benevolent, others had terrifying characteristics

    THE GODS AND GODDESSES OF THE AZTECS
    The Aztecs thought that failure to honor the deities with blood sacrifices would cause the world to end at the end of their 52-year calendar (equal to our century).

    AZTEC GODDESSES
    A wonderful list of names!

    AZTEC DEITIES
    Names of the god or goddess, or the variations thereof, and details about their abilities and/or attributes

    MAYAN GODS & GODDESSES
    Several gods who played significant roles in the Post classic codices can be identified on earlier Maya monuments

    MAYAN GODS
    The gods ranged from a suicide goddess, to a god of maize, or corn.

    AZTEC & MAYAN GODS
    Good list with descriptions

    GODS AND GODDESSES FROM THE MAYANS
    A huge detailed alphabetical list - South of the border down Mexico way, reaching down as far as Guatamala, Honduras and El Salvador.

    PHOENICIAN DEITIES
    List of deities from Armenian, and Syrian Regions

    PERSIAN GODDESSES
    List of names with full descriptions

    PERSIAN DEITIES
    List of names of deities from Persia (Iran)

    SLAVIC GODDESSES
    A long list of names with full descriptions

    GODDESSES OF SUMERIA
    A strong list of names with full descriptions

    THE GODS OF THE ANCIENT MEXICANS
    A great list of names here

    WORLD OF GODS AND GODDESSES
    All goddesses of the world are manifestation of Shakti, the feminine aspect of creation, the mother of God and Universe.

    LIST OF DEITIES
    The whole list from around the world

    ZORASTERIAN DEITIES
    List of ancient deities

    THE GODS OF THE DRAGON REALMS
    List of Sky, Earth, Fire, Magic & War Gods

    THE DEMI-GODS OF FARLAND
    Names from the fantasy game

    GODDESSES AND GODS
    Long list of Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Japanese Gods & deities

    DEITIES
    List of ancient and actual deities in the different religions, cultures and mythologies of the world. It is sorted alphabetically

    DEITIES OF TITAN
    Members of the upper chamber of the Celestial Court who created the physical aspects of the world of Titan.

    SUMERIAN GODS AND GODDESSES
    List of excellent names

    MINOR DEITIES
    Hellenes believed that there was a deity for nearly everything, although many of these deities were essentially human traits or goals personified.

    THE MINOR PHYSICAL GODS
    Small list of names from The Shrine of Hamaskis

    NAMES OF MYTHICAL CREATURES
    Only a few, but excellent!

    ESKIMO GODS
    List of 16 Gods with definitions

    SANTERIAN PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    Names of eleven Gods

    MESOPOTAMIAN PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    Names of about 18 Gods, with full descriptions

    NAMES FROM VOODOO
    List of names of Gods with detailed descriptions

    THE WONDROUS GODDESSES
    Enter with an open heart and mind so that their seeds of wisdom, when planted, may take root.

    DEITIES & DEMI-GODS
    Large alphabetical list

    CHRISTO-PAGAN GODS & GODDESSES
    Very interesting list here

    CRETIAN GODDESSES
    Here the old Minoan Goddesses shall dwell again

    ANGLO-SAXON GODS AND GODDESSES
    Much in-depth information concerning the gods and goddesses that the Anglo-Saxons worshipped.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#16 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM EST
    RACHEL1-933952

    Holy Cow!!

    For me, those that use their god and/or religion as a crutch do NOT understand the meaning thereof.

    For those that do not, I believe that they practice as they were meant to, if they chose such.

    But, it's awful funny in how long and how many cultures find/found the need to worship a "higher being".

    • 2 votes
    #16.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 5:52 PM EST
    NotKidding

    Not that many gods require "worship". They want obedience, sacrifices, offerings...that sort of thing, but to demand that humanity love them while they are aribitrarily messing with their lives....that's not so common.

    Most gods were invented to explain things that weren't understood...like the weather, natural disasters, fertility, sickness, etc. You want it to rain? Make an offering to the right god. You want more children? To survive a plague? A safe journey? Just pop some fruits and nuts onto their little shrine and maybe burn some incense or something. Nothing to do with worship at all...just an effort to exercise some control over the natural world.

    • 1 vote
    #16.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:52 PM EST
    Kyle-2710718

    Yeah... Ain't superstition crazy?

    • 2 votes
    #16.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:52 PM EST
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